"that the average Nigerian man is a rapist and a paedophile" No ma. No ma. That's not factually accurate. It's asinine to me that you will have the liver to disract horrific, barbaric stories like this with labelling the average man in Nigeria a rapist or pedophile. Are you mad?? I'm still trying to wrap my head around this shocking reveal of an actual rape festival in a state, itching to seeing every bastard in these videos gunned down or something and wondering about the state of the victims, but I have to pause all that to address your stupid gender framing. Sis, get a grip. Leave men out of this and address the insanity of lawlessness. Cuz how tf is no one is talking about how the fuckn police were never on the streets as rape was promised and announced by lower lifeforms in preps for a demonic festival---that they still fufilled in its entirety??? My God! No one is emphasising that the devaints in these videos need to eat consequences for life!!! But calling 4 brothers out of 8, a rapist, is your problem. Gosh, you gender-war folks are damaged. This country na zoo abeg. I dunno how a group of guys fuckn dare to do this shit and still bloody get away with it, overseas. Madness.
"Just to be clear because I have no doubt you'll deliberately misunderstand me", then proceeds to stawman my position in an effort to deliberately misunderstand me instead. Lmao. It's crazy that we are using real events of rape to be doing this turn-by-turn aimlessly.
Nawa oh! Wetin dey muz me na how u don make dis thing a 'me', 'my feelings' issue. So to respond sef, dey even cringe me, because you will just reinforce that idea.
"...AND PROCLAIM THAT YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SUFFERS THE MOST IN THIS EQUATION"
See ba, the best way to dismantle someone's position is understanding it first. I can't understand my position for you mhen. I can't.
This is why when men demand evidence before believing a rape case, it is just a ploy to create additional difficulties for the victim.
Here we have a mass gang rape case where the men themselves manufactured the evidence against themselves by filming their own actions, and despite the abundance of evidence, a man is still fighting desperately to avoid men being blamed.
It has never been about disgust for rape for so many men.
Their only concern with rape is to express loyalty to their fellow men by getting male rapists off the hook.
Haffa Lotanna, I appreciate your work first off all. I don't know what made me subsribe to your sub but your email on my inbox about Ozoro was literally my first encounter with this story, so I appreciate you for calling it out.
Secondly, I think it is a natural response to the report of a crime that some kind of evidence is demanded. If someone said my brother murdered someone, I will demand evidence. And upon seeing the evidence, omo I will engage my bro in his last prayers. For the sake of justice, the family of the victim and the society at large, he has to eat consequences. Emphasis on last prayers.
Evil is evil, no matter the doer of the evil. And its very important that evil is punished. So, unto say my fellow man don cast, you no go catch me on any cover-up cruise or some bro-code matter bcuz na man him be. Aje him gats still collect. The tin must still balance. He cannot be off the hook, brother/man or not. And I agree with your email subject actually. If extreme, CONSISTENT consequences are not served, these things will continue unfortunately.
Guy!! YOU ARE DISTRACTING! That's my problem. If a Northerner killed my family, I wouldn't care about 'not all Northerners'---I’d want the police to level the place. If someone called out the evil, the names of my family and demanded justice, that'd be the right thing to do. But if someone starts to champion "the average Northerner is a murderer" narrative instead, the story is then divided, priorities are then misplaced. My family would be out of the conversation quickly, because Notherners and Southerners would be busy arguing who's murderous and who's not. See what we are doing already. I would even consider the grounds for those debates if the topic is remotely close to being true, but here, the 'average man' statement, fails every standard: Wrong, it is. Helpful it's not. Nothing but a distraction. See the issue now????
I am not making the situation about me. In fact, I want my 'not all men' position to be dismissed and ridiculed as much as the 'average man' position so that the conversation is steered back to the victims, the men involved in the horrific acts, and the useless govt bodies that basically platformed this. I hate that I have to debate this. See how the Author & I are throwing insults at each other. I NEVER WANTED THIS. I wanna understand how tf a raping festival is a living and breathing culture in the first place.
My problem is the distraction. Look at what we are arguing about now. The victims are not even named. Only few, negligible arrests made. I hate that I have to point this out, because it will just be as if I am participating in the distraction --- that I'm clearly condemning.
A community of men said they will do this and still did this, while the police did nothing (before and on the day), bro!! Women and minors were violated in those videos, we have fools on the comments saying "why did they come out", we have little to no policing and proper government response, WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS INSTEAD????? THAT IS MY ISSUE. As much as you are making this to be a man problem, it is not.
Las las we have a common ground, we are both calling out the men, the evil, but you have chosen the labelling, and I'm just sticking to the calling out of these men, and the state of the victims---more attention needed, quite frankly.
This thing will slip you into existential crisis if care is not taken sha, so much immoral examples out of this country it's exhuasting. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims.
“See how the author and I are throwing insults at each other” but you started it, lol.
And no, we cannot leave men out of this conversation. When a fire breaks out, you can keep trying to put it out, but if you never find the source, it will keep burning.
That is exactly what this is. You don’t solve the problem by avoiding the root cause.
This is not just about lawlessness. Even in countries with strict laws, people who want to do evil will still do evil.
So yes, men cannot be taken out of this conversation because they are the root cause.
First off, when I say leave men out of the conversation, I don't mean that in the absolute. I no say make we hide the gender wey r*pe those women. I'm opposing using "men" as a generalisation for a precursor to the solution.
Yes, if you don't put out the fire, the house continues to burn. So by that logic, put out the men because they are the source of the problem?? What does that even look like? Ka anyị wepụ ndị nwoke nọ obodo, ko gịnị? Your point is a dead-end logic. It doesn't meet anything. It's a useless distraction (my original point).
Men are not the source of the problem of rape. The source of the fire outbreak is not even the fire sef. The fire (that still needs to be put out) is a result of the combination of other things.
Let's even unpack this your analogy. I'd argue that the fire is not the men, but the damage, the r*pe. And we can represent the men with the fuel in the house (wood etc), the spark (as the ugly intents), and let's say gas leak is the lawlessness, and finally the house being the victims.
The furniture (wood) of the house, or other components listed above—in isolation—cannot be the cause of the fire outbreak. It's the combination of those components that creates the fire (the damage). It's the bloody spark that initiates the fire outbreak with the wood and the gas leak that enables and sustains it. When you wanna address the fire outbreak, you don't put out the fire and all the wood (burning and not) in the house more than you put out the fire, the burning wood, and the gas leak. U see am ba?
Emptying the house of her furniture is not the way to prevent the evil either. It's the gas leakage, you address for a preventive measure, so that no matter the spark, the wood no go catch fire. That's how to fix the problem.
You deal with a problem by dealing with the problem and the actual cause of the problem.
And to your point, people that wanna do evil in strict countries will still do evil, yes; but what's the difference between that context and ours???? The very idea that people would still wanna do evil in a safe place speaks to the fact that the intent or potential for evil remains constant, no matter the country. So what's the difference between Nigeria & Poland for example???? The lawssss!! There is no Ozoro in Poland for OBVIOUS reasons! So you can't say this ain't about lawlessness. It is in fact about lawlessness! My saying this doesn't excuse the r*pists or minimise the weight on the victims but it vehemently treats r*pists, and the fostering environment of r*pe with the desire for CONSEQUENCES. And you, fighting all men here, distracts everyone from that endeavour!
You can't prevent evil by removing people from the population unto say they get the potential. If na by da wan, all of us dey guilty na. We all fall short of some standard of good and are subject to commiting evil, so make we kuma comot our sef from the planet? No. Also, you can't prevent evil just by only shouting "evil bad, don't do evil". It doesn't work. I believe the best of us humans oh, but omo history teaches us that we no dey hear word. Obedience hard.
If you put good people in a lawlesness/no-consequence city, omo that good in them will disappear fast. Fiam! Everywhere go burn. If you put good wood in a burning house, well... you don see am na.
This generalisation episodes never put solutions on the ground. They just make you feel good as if you hate the r*pe more than others. You're fighting gender (distraction), I'm fighting the crime. And I even clarified this with the serial killer example in previous replies (scroll up).
I'm addressing the burning wood, the fire and the gas leak, you're essentially carrying the wood matter on your head as the one and only cause bc say na wood them be, burning wood and okay wood, all wood na the problem. #SayNoToWood. Are you now seeing what this does to the house automatically???
You think it's hashtags & righteous anger that will stop evil people? No, it's laws, it's consequences. That's why Lotanna and I actually agree more than we disagree. To her sub* title: "if death is not introduced", it tells us that this debate is as useless as stale eba if we don't start seeing consequences reinstalled into the fabric of our society. Laws puts everyone in check, so that if you someone start failing morally, and wan dey move mad all of a sudden, the law will meet you, and meet you adequately.
If Ozoro was a lawful community, a group of mad men won't promise rape one day and fulfill it on the streets the next day.
Happy Sunday ụmụ Chineke! May evil not greet us at our doorsteps.
Your point is self evident, but you're not addressing anything, bc I never removed the group responsible for committing the crime from the conversation about the crime. Don't lie, Ngozi. Don't lie.
Because women naturally have less physical advantage to act on that compared to men. The nature of a crime is subject to the the capacity of the offender. There are crimes women can commit that men cannot. You don't see me dragging all women, do you? It's a useless distraction. So, indeed, a lawful society shuts the door to all crimes (exclusive, socially skewed crimes inclusive). If u move mad, u collect. FAFO no send ur gender.
I should leave men out of an incident that has over five different videos proving that hundreds of average Nigerian men left their daily business and formed mobs to hunt down and sexually assault women and girls, because it makes weak, self centered men like you feel bad, Nnamdi?
No.
Look at this shameful rant you wrote.
No single concern for the female victims.
Your entire motivation is to help your fellow Nigerian men escape blame and accountability for acts that we have incontrovertible evidence that they committed.
The people you care so much about are your fellow men, hence your greatest priority in this conversation is to salvage the reputation of men, even as women are currently living with the horrific aftermath of being raped.
I’m sure you even have the audacity to think you are a good person, or as many equally deluded men love to say “a good man”
Was this horrific, barbaric incident not precisely that the average Nigerian men raped women in broad daylight?
Reflect on your disgusting sins of pride against women.
Reflect on your disgusting indifference to the suffering of women to the extent that you want to call the perpetrators “bastards” and “perverts” and “deviants” because it disguises the most important identity which you wish to hide — exactly who committed this crime — AVERAGE NIGERIAN MEN.
All the hundreds of men in these videos, ARE THEY NOT SOMEBODY’S BROTHERS?
Somebody’s sons? Somebody’s fathers?
If you don’t get the hell out of here and go and reflect on your deplorable and shameful mindset, Nnamdi.
I have talked to so many men throughout my life whenever men commit sexual crimes against women, and despite the enormous diversity of the men, it's always the same behaviour.
They are not clueless.
They know exactly what they are doing.
They feel an uncomfortable emotion at being accurately identified as the source of the problem and so their instinct is to deflect, deny, and distract to push blame away from the culprit because he is male.
They see the male culprits as someone they are in masculine solidarity with and someone whose humiliation or accusation harms the status of men so they want to protect that status by divorcing men from the offence even when there is clear evidence that men are the cause of the crime.
I'm divorcing men from this Ozoro incident??? As per I tell u say na vegetable dey strip those girls na. Omo, u dey shame me guy. See what you're making me type sef.
Any crime committed by someone, naturally burns the image of the people group they belong to. I was never interested in fixing any detty reputation at the expense of the real issue.
No sane person protects his tribe at the expense of the truth.
Lotanna, I see the tension. The men in those videos were locals, everyday guys compared to experienced criminals. And by that logic you call them average men, rightly so. I see that. BUT!! You cannot use that to represent the image of an average man in Nigeria today being a rapist!! That's hasty generalisation. Can't you even see that those men, brothers, someone's father or son---by participating in the festival---all naturally strip themselves from any 'average' title to be nothing but criminals, deviant men?? I am not using these words to hide anything. It's an honest evaluation. Just because a serial killer was someone's 'average' son does not make an 'average son' today a serial killer. That is what you are doing. And calling this out is not in any way to dismiss or downplay the weight of the story (which was the motive of my position). The motive of my postion was (and still is): you are framing this story on men alone and by that token, reducing the weight of the story (the victims, the lawlessness of the community and state, and the ugly "why did they come outside" talks). Bro! They announced rape and still raped! How guyy.. How????
@an.imaginative.thing, I see you have a different tone, welldone. But please, stop making this about me. I did not do this to be some poster boy for a good man, I just called out the distraction for what it was...omo fashi sef...Make everybody just piss off! The more I double down to explain myself, the more this goes on. And to be honest, I'd understand how the perception of every woman in that video (and outside the video) will view any man she sees on the road to be a rapist, that's another conversation entirely, and you can't blame her. I rest my case on this matter. My other replies should have more context.
Nekwa nka. Your colleagues are addressing the substance of my argument at least, but your own, just enter, open keyboard; waaaaaaa dey regurgitate mantra. You'll be fine, nne.
Lol. Sad truth. When one of the psquare brothers posted his daughter there were comments of fucking her— of course by the men. Btw she is a minor. Almost every Nigerian woman has a story to tell— being sexually molested by the so called "protectors."
"Not all men" but the same men avoid their female children being around their brothers, friends, male neighbors anything male.
"Not all men" but the don't have male nannies taking care of their children.
"Not all men" but these men do everything possible to avoid relationships between their friends and sisters.
Not all men but men started approaching me since I was 13 or 14. Men that we look up to and deem them responsible.
Pastors rape women around them on a daily.
The girl child in Nigeria has a curfew.
Omo Dem plenty.
I was in an all girls teens conference and the converner asked anyone that hasn't been sexually molested to stand. No girl. Not one. Btw there were around there were girls below 15 in that hall. They all had been molested by these things called men. And guess what? Nobody believes them. Not even their mothers. The society conditioned them to keep quiet. Very sad and annoying.
7 out of 10 women in Nigeria have been molested by MEN.
Only 5% make it to social media, the rest die with the shame.
"that the average Nigerian man is a rapist and a paedophile" No ma. No ma. That's not factually accurate. It's asinine to me that you will have the liver to disract horrific, barbaric stories like this with labelling the average man in Nigeria a rapist or pedophile. Are you mad?? I'm still trying to wrap my head around this shocking reveal of an actual rape festival in a state, itching to seeing every bastard in these videos gunned down or something and wondering about the state of the victims, but I have to pause all that to address your stupid gender framing. Sis, get a grip. Leave men out of this and address the insanity of lawlessness. Cuz how tf is no one is talking about how the fuckn police were never on the streets as rape was promised and announced by lower lifeforms in preps for a demonic festival---that they still fufilled in its entirety??? My God! No one is emphasising that the devaints in these videos need to eat consequences for life!!! But calling 4 brothers out of 8, a rapist, is your problem. Gosh, you gender-war folks are damaged. This country na zoo abeg. I dunno how a group of guys fuckn dare to do this shit and still bloody get away with it, overseas. Madness.
"Just to be clear because I have no doubt you'll deliberately misunderstand me", then proceeds to stawman my position in an effort to deliberately misunderstand me instead. Lmao. It's crazy that we are using real events of rape to be doing this turn-by-turn aimlessly.
Nawa oh! Wetin dey muz me na how u don make dis thing a 'me', 'my feelings' issue. So to respond sef, dey even cringe me, because you will just reinforce that idea.
"...AND PROCLAIM THAT YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SUFFERS THE MOST IN THIS EQUATION"
See ba, the best way to dismantle someone's position is understanding it first. I can't understand my position for you mhen. I can't.
This is why when men demand evidence before believing a rape case, it is just a ploy to create additional difficulties for the victim.
Here we have a mass gang rape case where the men themselves manufactured the evidence against themselves by filming their own actions, and despite the abundance of evidence, a man is still fighting desperately to avoid men being blamed.
It has never been about disgust for rape for so many men.
Their only concern with rape is to express loyalty to their fellow men by getting male rapists off the hook.
Haffa Lotanna, I appreciate your work first off all. I don't know what made me subsribe to your sub but your email on my inbox about Ozoro was literally my first encounter with this story, so I appreciate you for calling it out.
Secondly, I think it is a natural response to the report of a crime that some kind of evidence is demanded. If someone said my brother murdered someone, I will demand evidence. And upon seeing the evidence, omo I will engage my bro in his last prayers. For the sake of justice, the family of the victim and the society at large, he has to eat consequences. Emphasis on last prayers.
Evil is evil, no matter the doer of the evil. And its very important that evil is punished. So, unto say my fellow man don cast, you no go catch me on any cover-up cruise or some bro-code matter bcuz na man him be. Aje him gats still collect. The tin must still balance. He cannot be off the hook, brother/man or not. And I agree with your email subject actually. If extreme, CONSISTENT consequences are not served, these things will continue unfortunately.
Do better abeg.
Guy!! YOU ARE DISTRACTING! That's my problem. If a Northerner killed my family, I wouldn't care about 'not all Northerners'---I’d want the police to level the place. If someone called out the evil, the names of my family and demanded justice, that'd be the right thing to do. But if someone starts to champion "the average Northerner is a murderer" narrative instead, the story is then divided, priorities are then misplaced. My family would be out of the conversation quickly, because Notherners and Southerners would be busy arguing who's murderous and who's not. See what we are doing already. I would even consider the grounds for those debates if the topic is remotely close to being true, but here, the 'average man' statement, fails every standard: Wrong, it is. Helpful it's not. Nothing but a distraction. See the issue now????
I am not making the situation about me. In fact, I want my 'not all men' position to be dismissed and ridiculed as much as the 'average man' position so that the conversation is steered back to the victims, the men involved in the horrific acts, and the useless govt bodies that basically platformed this. I hate that I have to debate this. See how the Author & I are throwing insults at each other. I NEVER WANTED THIS. I wanna understand how tf a raping festival is a living and breathing culture in the first place.
My problem is the distraction. Look at what we are arguing about now. The victims are not even named. Only few, negligible arrests made. I hate that I have to point this out, because it will just be as if I am participating in the distraction --- that I'm clearly condemning.
A community of men said they will do this and still did this, while the police did nothing (before and on the day), bro!! Women and minors were violated in those videos, we have fools on the comments saying "why did they come out", we have little to no policing and proper government response, WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS INSTEAD????? THAT IS MY ISSUE. As much as you are making this to be a man problem, it is not.
Las las we have a common ground, we are both calling out the men, the evil, but you have chosen the labelling, and I'm just sticking to the calling out of these men, and the state of the victims---more attention needed, quite frankly.
This thing will slip you into existential crisis if care is not taken sha, so much immoral examples out of this country it's exhuasting. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims.
“See how the author and I are throwing insults at each other” but you started it, lol.
And no, we cannot leave men out of this conversation. When a fire breaks out, you can keep trying to put it out, but if you never find the source, it will keep burning.
That is exactly what this is. You don’t solve the problem by avoiding the root cause.
This is not just about lawlessness. Even in countries with strict laws, people who want to do evil will still do evil.
So yes, men cannot be taken out of this conversation because they are the root cause.
First off, when I say leave men out of the conversation, I don't mean that in the absolute. I no say make we hide the gender wey r*pe those women. I'm opposing using "men" as a generalisation for a precursor to the solution.
Yes, if you don't put out the fire, the house continues to burn. So by that logic, put out the men because they are the source of the problem?? What does that even look like? Ka anyị wepụ ndị nwoke nọ obodo, ko gịnị? Your point is a dead-end logic. It doesn't meet anything. It's a useless distraction (my original point).
Men are not the source of the problem of rape. The source of the fire outbreak is not even the fire sef. The fire (that still needs to be put out) is a result of the combination of other things.
Let's even unpack this your analogy. I'd argue that the fire is not the men, but the damage, the r*pe. And we can represent the men with the fuel in the house (wood etc), the spark (as the ugly intents), and let's say gas leak is the lawlessness, and finally the house being the victims.
The furniture (wood) of the house, or other components listed above—in isolation—cannot be the cause of the fire outbreak. It's the combination of those components that creates the fire (the damage). It's the bloody spark that initiates the fire outbreak with the wood and the gas leak that enables and sustains it. When you wanna address the fire outbreak, you don't put out the fire and all the wood (burning and not) in the house more than you put out the fire, the burning wood, and the gas leak. U see am ba?
Emptying the house of her furniture is not the way to prevent the evil either. It's the gas leakage, you address for a preventive measure, so that no matter the spark, the wood no go catch fire. That's how to fix the problem.
You deal with a problem by dealing with the problem and the actual cause of the problem.
And to your point, people that wanna do evil in strict countries will still do evil, yes; but what's the difference between that context and ours???? The very idea that people would still wanna do evil in a safe place speaks to the fact that the intent or potential for evil remains constant, no matter the country. So what's the difference between Nigeria & Poland for example???? The lawssss!! There is no Ozoro in Poland for OBVIOUS reasons! So you can't say this ain't about lawlessness. It is in fact about lawlessness! My saying this doesn't excuse the r*pists or minimise the weight on the victims but it vehemently treats r*pists, and the fostering environment of r*pe with the desire for CONSEQUENCES. And you, fighting all men here, distracts everyone from that endeavour!
You can't prevent evil by removing people from the population unto say they get the potential. If na by da wan, all of us dey guilty na. We all fall short of some standard of good and are subject to commiting evil, so make we kuma comot our sef from the planet? No. Also, you can't prevent evil just by only shouting "evil bad, don't do evil". It doesn't work. I believe the best of us humans oh, but omo history teaches us that we no dey hear word. Obedience hard.
If you put good people in a lawlesness/no-consequence city, omo that good in them will disappear fast. Fiam! Everywhere go burn. If you put good wood in a burning house, well... you don see am na.
This generalisation episodes never put solutions on the ground. They just make you feel good as if you hate the r*pe more than others. You're fighting gender (distraction), I'm fighting the crime. And I even clarified this with the serial killer example in previous replies (scroll up).
I'm addressing the burning wood, the fire and the gas leak, you're essentially carrying the wood matter on your head as the one and only cause bc say na wood them be, burning wood and okay wood, all wood na the problem. #SayNoToWood. Are you now seeing what this does to the house automatically???
You think it's hashtags & righteous anger that will stop evil people? No, it's laws, it's consequences. That's why Lotanna and I actually agree more than we disagree. To her sub* title: "if death is not introduced", it tells us that this debate is as useless as stale eba if we don't start seeing consequences reinstalled into the fabric of our society. Laws puts everyone in check, so that if you someone start failing morally, and wan dey move mad all of a sudden, the law will meet you, and meet you adequately.
If Ozoro was a lawful community, a group of mad men won't promise rape one day and fulfill it on the streets the next day.
Happy Sunday ụmụ Chineke! May evil not greet us at our doorsteps.
You’re speaking as if I said men are the only cause or that laws don’t matter. I didn’t.
My point is simple. You cannot remove the group responsible for committing a crime from the conversation about that crime.
That’s the point I’m making, and I believe it speaks for itself.
Your point is self evident, but you're not addressing anything, bc I never removed the group responsible for committing the crime from the conversation about the crime. Don't lie, Ngozi. Don't lie.
Also, if it all boils down to lawlessness, both men and women live under it.
So why aren’t women also “going mad” and doing rape festival?
Because women naturally have less physical advantage to act on that compared to men. The nature of a crime is subject to the the capacity of the offender. There are crimes women can commit that men cannot. You don't see me dragging all women, do you? It's a useless distraction. So, indeed, a lawful society shuts the door to all crimes (exclusive, socially skewed crimes inclusive). If u move mad, u collect. FAFO no send ur gender.
I should leave men out of an incident that has over five different videos proving that hundreds of average Nigerian men left their daily business and formed mobs to hunt down and sexually assault women and girls, because it makes weak, self centered men like you feel bad, Nnamdi?
No.
Look at this shameful rant you wrote.
No single concern for the female victims.
Your entire motivation is to help your fellow Nigerian men escape blame and accountability for acts that we have incontrovertible evidence that they committed.
The people you care so much about are your fellow men, hence your greatest priority in this conversation is to salvage the reputation of men, even as women are currently living with the horrific aftermath of being raped.
I’m sure you even have the audacity to think you are a good person, or as many equally deluded men love to say “a good man”
Was this horrific, barbaric incident not precisely that the average Nigerian men raped women in broad daylight?
Reflect on your disgusting sins of pride against women.
Reflect on your disgusting indifference to the suffering of women to the extent that you want to call the perpetrators “bastards” and “perverts” and “deviants” because it disguises the most important identity which you wish to hide — exactly who committed this crime — AVERAGE NIGERIAN MEN.
All the hundreds of men in these videos, ARE THEY NOT SOMEBODY’S BROTHERS?
Somebody’s sons? Somebody’s fathers?
If you don’t get the hell out of here and go and reflect on your deplorable and shameful mindset, Nnamdi.
Waste of mothering.
It's not cluelessness.
I have talked to so many men throughout my life whenever men commit sexual crimes against women, and despite the enormous diversity of the men, it's always the same behaviour.
They are not clueless.
They know exactly what they are doing.
They feel an uncomfortable emotion at being accurately identified as the source of the problem and so their instinct is to deflect, deny, and distract to push blame away from the culprit because he is male.
They see the male culprits as someone they are in masculine solidarity with and someone whose humiliation or accusation harms the status of men so they want to protect that status by divorcing men from the offence even when there is clear evidence that men are the cause of the crime.
I'm divorcing men from this Ozoro incident??? As per I tell u say na vegetable dey strip those girls na. Omo, u dey shame me guy. See what you're making me type sef.
Any crime committed by someone, naturally burns the image of the people group they belong to. I was never interested in fixing any detty reputation at the expense of the real issue.
No sane person protects his tribe at the expense of the truth.
Lotanna, I see the tension. The men in those videos were locals, everyday guys compared to experienced criminals. And by that logic you call them average men, rightly so. I see that. BUT!! You cannot use that to represent the image of an average man in Nigeria today being a rapist!! That's hasty generalisation. Can't you even see that those men, brothers, someone's father or son---by participating in the festival---all naturally strip themselves from any 'average' title to be nothing but criminals, deviant men?? I am not using these words to hide anything. It's an honest evaluation. Just because a serial killer was someone's 'average' son does not make an 'average son' today a serial killer. That is what you are doing. And calling this out is not in any way to dismiss or downplay the weight of the story (which was the motive of my position). The motive of my postion was (and still is): you are framing this story on men alone and by that token, reducing the weight of the story (the victims, the lawlessness of the community and state, and the ugly "why did they come outside" talks). Bro! They announced rape and still raped! How guyy.. How????
@an.imaginative.thing, I see you have a different tone, welldone. But please, stop making this about me. I did not do this to be some poster boy for a good man, I just called out the distraction for what it was...omo fashi sef...Make everybody just piss off! The more I double down to explain myself, the more this goes on. And to be honest, I'd understand how the perception of every woman in that video (and outside the video) will view any man she sees on the road to be a rapist, that's another conversation entirely, and you can't blame her. I rest my case on this matter. My other replies should have more context.
Oga, the average Nigerian man is a rapist and/or a pedophile.
That is the simple truth.
Nekwa nka. Your colleagues are addressing the substance of my argument at least, but your own, just enter, open keyboard; waaaaaaa dey regurgitate mantra. You'll be fine, nne.
And one day you'll have understanding.
Lol. Sad truth. When one of the psquare brothers posted his daughter there were comments of fucking her— of course by the men. Btw she is a minor. Almost every Nigerian woman has a story to tell— being sexually molested by the so called "protectors."
"Not all men" but the same men avoid their female children being around their brothers, friends, male neighbors anything male.
"Not all men" but the don't have male nannies taking care of their children.
"Not all men" but these men do everything possible to avoid relationships between their friends and sisters.
Not all men but men started approaching me since I was 13 or 14. Men that we look up to and deem them responsible.
Pastors rape women around them on a daily.
The girl child in Nigeria has a curfew.
Omo Dem plenty.
I was in an all girls teens conference and the converner asked anyone that hasn't been sexually molested to stand. No girl. Not one. Btw there were around there were girls below 15 in that hall. They all had been molested by these things called men. And guess what? Nobody believes them. Not even their mothers. The society conditioned them to keep quiet. Very sad and annoying.
7 out of 10 women in Nigeria have been molested by MEN.
Only 5% make it to social media, the rest die with the shame.
It'll be a lie if I say I don't have hate for men
I remember when that psquare thing happened. It also happened when Yul Edochie posted his 15 year old daughter.
Fucking dimwit. He is a rapist of course
Exactly